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Exploring possible new routes 030617


So I had a free morning on Saturday and decided to go out and check out a route that I created last year using the ViewRanger app and a website called TrailWise. 

Setting off from home near Camborne, I rode towards Barripper to do one little lane near the cattery. On towards Praze-An-Beeble where another lane passed a farm. Coming out of Praze-An-Beeble, I headed down a lane new to me. It took me into a farm area, where I was greeted by two loud and angry dogs. As they nipped at my front wheel and my leg, I decided to turn around and find another way around as I wasn't sure this was even a legal byway!

I rode on to Leedstown, where I missed the lane I wanted to take, as I went into auto-pilot mode and rode the byways I usually frequent in that area, instead of the new one I wanted to check out! Then through Townshend to Relubbus where I cut out an entire section of my planned route as it was marked Bridleway. After the dog incident I didn't fancy chancing it, preferring to skip this and check the lane status when home.

So I headed to Goldsithney then up to St Erth. Another U-turn at Angarrack, skipped another section at Connor Downs and simply headed home.

All in all, it was a rather frustrating rideout, as I didn't really get to ride any new lanes. I haven't yet checked my OS map to double check those unknown lanes so cannot comment on whether I COULD of ridden them after all. Maybe another day...

Attached is an image, showing my planned route and the route I actually rode. 

Oh, and in the Videos section, is my vlog from the ride smile



-- Edited by andyjonc on Sunday 4th of June 2017 06:18:13 PM

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You should be making sure the lanes are legal before you go out exploring. There are no NEW lanes. its either a byway or a UCR/OPRA or its vehicle rights are not proven and therefore illegal.

Any new claim for byway post 2006 will result in restricted byway status with no vehicle rights.

Any UCR recorded on the definitive map which shows as footpath or bridleway or restricted byway will have lost its vehicle rights with few exceptions.

simply put if you don't know it to be proven legal, then it aint and never will be.

Angarrack byways is a dead end, if it did continue as a ucr historicly then its lost to nerc as its recorded as a footpath. Ive got old trf maps from the late 90s which show hundreds of now lost lanes in cornwall. lost due to nerc and unlikely every to be gained, although some claims are still pending I think. its these tracks that still show on trailwise, hence my view that its out of date and crap. Townshend and rellubus both had old lanes that were lost to NERC. Even if they were claimed, if the case hasn't been proven theyre illegal till it is.

Don't trust what trailwise says, that's 10+ year out of date info and lots that remain listed there, were lost due to NERC. If its remotely likely to be legal then it will probably show as a BYWAY or ORPA on the OS map. Obviously some whities appear on the map that are on the List of streets but most will on the list of streets will be marked as orpas.

You really aint gonna do anyone any favours by wearing out the "oh I'm sorry I thought it was a right of way" reply to angry farmers or walkers/horse riders.

Do cornwall trf not have a rights of way officer who can advise whats still legal? It seems to me youd be better off speaking with members who know your area rather than all this hit and miss trial and error way of riding.

TBH this is not the first video you've made where you seem to be aimlessly riding up farm tracks and private land in search of a NEW lane. Whats claimed and recorded is all there is now and all there ever can be.


Please stick to legal lanes and if youre unsure, do proper research first before riding them.

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Well I'm damned if I do ride and damned it I don't. How's a guy to win?! confuse

I take on board your points about checking lanes before riding. I made this route about a year ago and tbh couldn't remember if I had plotted it using TrailWise or my OS Explorer map. Once out on the ride I became more convinced that I HADN'T double checked using OS, hence I scrapped a couple of lanes from the route.

I think you misunderstand what I mean by "new". To clarify, I mean "new to me". I am well aware of the current situation with byways, UCR's etc. However, being relatively new to the whole Green Laning scene, I am not well versed in every lane in Cornwall, hence I go out "exploring". 

I DO attend CTRF meetings, I DO ride with experienced CTRF members, but I also enjoy finding things out for myself. I am proactive and try to learn rather than just being spoon fed information all the time. 

With regard to CTRF ROW officer, this position has only recently been taken over by a new chap, and I don't know if he has 100% knowledge yet of all the legal lanes in my area even if I did ask him. Also, thank you for the information that TrailWise is ten or more years out of date. This I did not know, and as you say, unless fellow riders share information how is anyone to know that. I certainly didn't so will now disregard it from my research.

You intimate that you have watched some of my previous videos, and I suppose I should thank you for that (not many people do bother to watch judging by my YouTube statistics! no). I do not over use the "sorry I thought it was a right of way" excuse though. I have only met ONE person whilst out riding, who has taken umbrage to my riding on any given lane. That I take full responsibility for, I rode somewhere I shouldn't. I apologised on that occasion, and the chap was absolutely fine. I don't hoon around, I don't ride unknown lanes in big groups and I don't particularly appreciate the insinuation that I am ruining trail riding for everybody else.

But anyway, I would like to thank you for taking the time to respond to my forum post, at least it shows you are reading and willing to participate, which can only be a good thing, to keep the CTRF forum active biggrin



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Learning the lanes down Redruth way is easy as they are 99% byways and marked as such on the OS maps . Its when you go up Bodmin way that it gets awkward as not all the UCr's are legal to ride as Smokinrider mentions .
Stick at it Andy and you are more than welcome to some of my routes or I can mark some maps for you . The club map for your area is all marked and Martin has it .

What niggles me is that a few people wanted a ride last week and no one bothered because , basically , I didnt step up to lead . I did this on purpose to be honest to see if anyone would bother and the result was 100% as I expected.
Please dont leave it to the same riders to lead every ride because we get fed up with it .

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sorry if that came across as a rant, not meant that way,

ive been looking at trailwise for the area (finally got a new key!) several lanes listed there that say, "shows as whitey on os map, this may be true but they also show as footpaths or bridleways. as we all know these are now lost thanks to nerc.
my old map shows 2 or 3 cracking long lanes which I guess were lost as they show on the map as a bridleway. (shame really but hey ho) maybe locals and old boys still ride them and don't get challenged as they know the landowner or whatever, maybe theyre lost for good.

Anyway, good you're out and about and keen to get to grips with it all. And using the forum to share it with others.


twosmoke, we have the same issues over here and I think every region. 2 or 3 who want to lead (or don't mind to.) in the last 5 years I have been on 4 rides where I didn't lead. Most weekends I go out on my own as I like to ride at my own pace and plan new routes in places I haven't been as well as doing the old favourites. Last trf run I lead, I had a dozen want to come along and then only 3 turn up. Like some, I don't need to ride with others and if I do, a few texts to mates will see 6 chums ready to tag along. I know them, I know their bikes and their ability. That said I do try and sort a trf run at least once every 2 months.




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